immigrants not so much coming to california and new york, they're coming into stingy states like arkansas, tennessee, utah. they coming here for the jobs americans don't love, how does that factor in the debate here? >> we do have to have a guestworker program. the agricultural industry, but that is different to everybody in the country here legally. we need some targeted programs, but to allow individuals to come iin and compete with unemployed americans, for example to limit rate among hispanic is way above the national average. why do we want to allow individuals to come in and compete with individuals who can't find jobs, what we want millions of people to suddenly get legalized status? almost every credible study shows wages are down about $2000 because of competition with illegal immigrants and now saying we will legalize millions of more. yes, a guestworker program to demonstrate the need for individuals whose work we embrace but notche nightmares of individuals who unnecessarily compete. liz: thank you so much for your time, really a pleasure to have you on the show. next up, what is worse t